GD Germany 06

Banshee · Post by **Banshee** » 13 Aug 2006, o 14:19

first hi to all, and thanks for the nice words..

about the catachan ogryin- i have only entered it 2 times, in spain and germany.. i took it to france only to show it to the people as some of my other minis.

i had the flight and ticket bought since a lot of time ago , but i didnt have time enough to prepare something new ( cause exams and work) except an arwen , that i painted in 2 days.. that is why i didnt wanted to go to the german golden demon without nothing.. so i decide to enter my 2 old minis, the ogrin and the resting imperial guard that won open category, that was a mini that was discualificated in france cause the boss of forgeworld thought it was an entire scratchbuilt. he didnt recognized the parts of his own range of product (the legs are from an elysian troop guard)

thanks for the nice words. i wanted to explain my reasons. it is not a cuestion of win more and more demons, i am not like this way.

Post by **Nameless** » 13 Aug 2006, o 15:55

Fair enough, Banshee.
Don't be bothered with my ranting

I'm just an old, grumpy man

At least I managed to pull the 16th post out of you

Visit us more often, Banshee - this also apply to the rest of Spanish Team.

Post by **Skrit** » 13 Aug 2006, o 22:03

Well spoken, the both of you!

Banshee · Post by **Banshee** » 16 Aug 2006, o 19:51

it is not problem anout your comment

i usually visit this forum, but the problem is that i have not time enough to write as many times i would like to do it.. but i follow it.

ah64pilot5 · Post by **ah64pilot5** » 16 Aug 2006, o 21:27

NAVARRO wrote:... some stuff that dont even qualify for statues in germany probably wouls win on some US GD's so its only normal people try to win something with their hard work.

I do not mean to come across wrong as a new poster, but why do you give the impression that the US GD has a lower standard for what demons are given out for? I was at this years Germany games day, and have attended several in the US also, I did not notice any real difference in the standards of painting/ modelling in the models that placed and won. There were great ones and also some pretty bad ones at all of them.
Again, I do not want to come off wrong but this seemed a bit offensive.

Post by **mahon** » 17 Aug 2006, o 00:21

Wrong? No, just expressing your opinion

Not too many of us had the opportunity of attending GDs on several continents. But I think there are 'weaker' and 'stronger' GDs. For example last year's Australiabn GD disappointed me, just like one of this year's US GDs.
But OTOH the last American GD left me impressed....

Maybe it's about tastes, and some of us have European tastes, while American style seems to be different. I still think Natalya Melnik's sorcerer of Tzeentch was underrated in the US. But she already took enough trophies to last me for several lifetimes

I think that the French GDs seem to be the most difficult with all the French and Spanish artists gathering there... I think they moved this 'hobby' up to another level. But I may be biased....

Post by **Demi_morgana** » 17 Aug 2006, o 07:46

mahon wrote: I think that the French GDs seem to be the most difficult with all the French and Spanish artists gathering there... I think they moved this 'hobby' up to another level. But I may be biased....

I agree:
I don't think painters from one country do better job that from the other but imo artists from france or spain paint in totally different style than US ones...

NAVARRO · Post by **NAVARRO** » 17 Aug 2006, o 09:21

ah64pilot5 wrote:
NAVARRO wrote:... some stuff that dont even qualify for statues in germany probably wouls win on some US GD's so its only normal people try to win something with their hard work.
I do not mean to come across wrong as a new poster, but why do you give the impression that the US GD has a lower standard for what demons are given out for? I was at this years Germany games day, and have attended several in the US also, I did not notice any real difference in the standards of painting/ modelling in the models that placed and won. There were great ones and also some pretty bad ones at all of them.
Again, I do not want to come off wrong but this seemed a bit offensive.

Hum what?

first and most important thing dont be offended because no offense was intended... and if you knew me from here you would know im a pacific bug that avoids that at all costs.

If you felt offended then sorry mate probably i choosed wrong words.

again i will try to explain my opinion... For me you can take all american GDs and mix them all and in the end have a ultimate GD at same level of europe best... the problem is you have so many and so lots of them really are a big let down

... for so much quantity of american GDs its only natural a finnalist or first cut in europe artist has more chances of getting the statue.

As for tastes well french GD is without doubt, in my opinion, currently the best in every level because above all they aim for originality and thats something so few adventure to.

If i had to compare one US state normal GD with lets say europe country i would say there are Lots of quality diferences not just styles... but if you guys did one or two Major US Gds than theres no diference... well maybe style... but close in therms of quality.

Also remember its just my opinion, nothing more nothing less.

Banshee · Post by **Banshee** » 17 Aug 2006, o 13:33

only a clue: when jeremie, david w and brother sinaer went this year to canada..all the people how knew that they would go there we knew the results for sure.. the sword for jeremie, and a plenty of golden demon for the rest.. david w took 6 or 7 trophies, with normal minis, some of them , minis that only have been finalist in 2 or 3 european golden demons..and in canada it were gold or silver.. the same as cedric.

guess why?. it is not a question of one country that has more talent.. it is a cuestion of art culture.. in france the paint culture about miniatures is enormous, much more bigger that any other country...england is where the hobby born, and the biggest event.. and spain is increasing a lot cause we have gone to france for 3 years to fight"" against french painters, and that is the est way to learn..to compite against the best..

in the usa there are not a fierce cometition.. the people that are the top painters there cannot increase their levels cause they dont have no one to compite against.. they are always winners... and that is why when a good painter from europe goes there it is so easy to win a demon. those minis that they took to canada would not won the same in france, spain or uk, for sure..
of course the mini of jeremie is a s?layer level..instead is not his best at paintjob..i have been working and living with him for 8 months, i know it.. but for sure..the rest of trophies of jeremie and david and cedric..it would not won the same here in europe, and there it were winners without doubts.

usa needs more competition, to open more their mind to try to learn from others.. is not a question of tastes or different styles, is a question of knowledge and theory.. comic painters, clssic painters,etc..they are different styles, but all of them, they know about theory, that is neccesary.. cenital light, colour armony, colour theory, colour temperature, ambient, et, etc, etc... if you dont learn it..it is impossible to grow up more than a high thecnical level..

Trovarion · Post by **Trovarion** » 17 Aug 2006, o 15:20

nailed and signed.