Golgotha

tidoco2222 · Post by **tidoco2222** » 18 May 2006, o 13:58

As I said on Cmon this is amazing, imagery aside and I think that has been discussed to death on Cmon, the artistic ability to do this beggars belief. i love te model every bit of it. I can understand why it is not to everyones liking but as a model and a work of art it is just awesome.

Post by **mahon** » 18 May 2006, o 14:03

I don't like the idea of disqualification just because of some freehand paintings. Well, I know religion is one of these subjects which always cause controversies and discussions, so I can understand that GW wanted to avoid this problem.

Moreover, Golden Demon is their competition so they have rights to do what they want, and you may like their decisions or not. Attend or boycott...
Anyway - it;s one excellent piece of work, even more stunning when you tihnk its 2 years old...

Gareth · Post by **Gareth** » 18 May 2006, o 14:13

For me this piece is beautifully executed, but the thing strays from the fluff.

Painting 9.9/10
Converison 8/10
Originality 9/10
Story of the piece - 7/10

it hits all the marks for me apart from what its about. The banners with the jesus-like depictions are not for 40k. While i like the style the banners are painted in i'd have preferred to have seen some thing based on the fluff, like horus and the emporer fighting, but painted in that cool style.

So I love the painting, but conversion isn't anything mind blowing and the content misses the mark for my personal opinion.

Post by **mahon** » 18 May 2006, o 14:35

Exactly, even if martyrs belong to 40K these characters depicted were simply not from the world of WH40K...

Gareth · Post by **Gareth** » 18 May 2006, o 15:10

mahon wrote:Exactly, even if martyrs belong to 40K these characters depicted were simply not from the world of WH40K...

What about this giger inspired nightwing?

https://www.coolminiornot.com/86837

The imagery is non 40k, but it works. I think it works because its content is more general and not as specific as the other one.

NAVARRO · Post by **NAVARRO** » 18 May 2006, o 15:47

sorry but giger imagery is 40kish. heck even little things like 40k rulebook cover are seriously cheap reproductions of giger work... i totally disagree with you there.

Gareth · Post by **Gareth** » 18 May 2006, o 16:10

NAVARRO wrote:sorry but giger imagery is 40kish. heck even little things like 40k rulebook cover are seriously cheap reproductions of giger work... i totally disagree with you there.

So 40k has been inspired by many things including giger. And gigers work has a place in 40k. I don't disagree with that. Look at the old metal hormagaunts...

NAVARRO · Post by **NAVARRO** » 18 May 2006, o 16:31

Gareth wrote: So 40k has been inspired by many things including giger. And gigers work has a place in 40k. I don't disagree with that. Look at the old metal hormagaunts...

im quite familiar with them ^^ and all that perfect organism from space concept has a strange similarity with with nids, or is it aliens... to make things clear giger is tyranids dark father in my opinion... and many ilustrations of concepts of 40k are based on giger... nids/aliens deamonetes/species chic, mix of cybernetic swirly madness with skulls flesh and bone/ chaos and space marines... extended skulls/ eldars... and goes on and on... even papa nurgle...

but lets not go offtopic

its a short bridge of 40k religious imagery and real life religious images... since 40k is so based on a mirror of reality that is religion...

ToMaZ · Post by **ToMaZ** » 18 May 2006, o 17:07

I love the work, and I don't care for the religious imagery, but that's because I'm not a religious person. I can well understand that some people find this offensive.

If I'm not mistaken, I believe it's stated in the GD rules that images that this type of works aren't allowed? Things with religion, racism etc, hot stuff for ethnic discussions. If I'm right, then he should have read the rules better before he entered this.

Now I think the painting is superb, the images are well executed, and the paintingstyle matches the mini. The imagery itself could have been chosen better IMO. It's hard to imagine a devilish creature with an image of two holy figures on his banner... it's like worshipping his archenemy

anyhoo... great work. Hats off for him

Gareth · Post by **Gareth** » 18 May 2006, o 17:21

ToMaZ wrote:

Now I think the painting is superb, the images are well executed, and the paintingstyle matches the mini. The imagery itself could have been chosen better IMO. It's hard to imagine a devilish creature with an image of two holy figures on his banner... it's like worshipping his archenemy

anyhoo... great work. Hats off for him

Did anyone notice something interesting with the image of the mother and child (possibly Mary and Jesus)... the child has horns...