OZ Golden demon 2008 pics!
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alvarezwawa
That's true, it is something like You said. Some info here: https://oz.games-workshop.com/community/ ... /event.htm
It looks quite complicated (in comparison with our GDs). I wonder how many foreign painters participate in Aussie GD.
It looks quite complicated (in comparison with our GDs). I wonder how many foreign painters participate in Aussie GD.
Wow, the style and quality of the slayer sword winner quite reminds me of Kacpero's Black Templars! But it may be just the photos...
I quite preferred silver 40k squad over gold. But I know photos can be misleading.
Gold 40k single lacks inscriptions on the purity seal - pretty important detail for the model's credibility IMHO. Technically impressive though...
I really liked the fantasy single finalist (Jamie Dalzell's dwarf).
Fantasy large model silver is excellent. Why only silver?
Jamie's giant and Automaton's sentinel were excellent - for me potential slayer sword winners.
Eisenhorn isn't bad... Great atmosphere and mood!
It seems I liked works of two painters the most: Jamie and Sebastian...
I quite preferred silver 40k squad over gold. But I know photos can be misleading.
Gold 40k single lacks inscriptions on the purity seal - pretty important detail for the model's credibility IMHO. Technically impressive though...
I really liked the fantasy single finalist (Jamie Dalzell's dwarf).
Fantasy large model silver is excellent. Why only silver?
Jamie's giant and Automaton's sentinel were excellent - for me potential slayer sword winners.
Eisenhorn isn't bad... Great atmosphere and mood!
It seems I liked works of two painters the most: Jamie and Sebastian...
-- Mahoń
Back in the garage with my bullshit detector
Back in the garage with my bullshit detector
It's great to read some more positive comments about our GD - thanks for that support, guys. 
Many of the other forums have had quite a negative attitude I'm afraid...some very cruel comments about the level and quality, which doesn't help anyone I think.
Of course, it's true, I agree, that our OZ GD is at a lower level than many of the other GDs around the world, but maybe I can offer some explanation, from my perspective.
I think the main problem is depth: there just aren't quite enough painters here in australia, and in addition, quite a few of the strong painters did not enter seriously, or not at all, this year, for various reasons. So that means that the 'solid' entries can end up being spread a bit too thin over the categories.
And the second part of thsi problem comes from the format of our GD, where we have 3 'rounds' of competition. As tomaz said, the first round occurs at local GW stores, and some independant stores also, all around the country on the same day. Everyone goes to their local store with their GD entries, and then it's like a mini GD - the top 3 entries for each category are selected, and put through to the next round, 2 weeks later. Round 2 is the 'regional' round (like a state round), where the same process happens again - the top 3 from each category are chosen, and then progress to the 'national final' in sydney, 3 weeks afterwards- this is like the real GD.
The whole idea of this, is to allow more access for people to enter GD from around the country. As I'm sure you know, australia is BIG....it's pretty much the same size as the whole of Europe. So it's very difficult for many people to enter GD if it's held as a traditional gamesday in Sydney; not many people are willing to fly to Sydney for the chance to enter, when they don't think they have a chance of winning anything. Of course there are a few people who would always fly in, but they tend to be the people who are already known painters - so the new format is meant to be better for attracting new painters, as well as more painters.
Of course, there are negative sides to the new format also. In the context of what we are talking about at the moment, with the quality of the competition, I would say that the big negative is the fact that this format pretty much takes away any chance of having international visitors entering GD. It's just not possible - you have to be at the first 'local' round in person, if you want to enter...but who is going to fly in for that, and then wait around for 5 weeks for the real 'final' GD? And besides, it is quite a distance to travel to Sydney, regardless!!! Plus there are all the crocodiles, snakes and sharks lying in wait when you arrive, ready to feast on unsuspecting visitors...
Anyway, the main point I want to make is this: I have travelled to a few GDs in Europe, and some other competitions, and in my opinion, the main difference between GDs around the world comes from the 'superstar entries'. I feel like most of the big GDs are defined by those 4 or 5 entries painted by super top painters - these are the most memorable entries, the ones that stick in your mind when you think of a particular GD. And often, a couple of these entries can come from international visitors, who have made the trip to compete. Generally, the visitors can often boost the level of a competition quite considerably, I think! They can add a lot of depth to the categories. But if you take away this top group of 'super entries', most GDs are of a pretty similar level I think.
This is what is lacking at OZ GD I think. We don't really have those 'superstar' world famous painters in the competition - as I said before, it's impossible for any international painters to visit, which is part of the reason. So that, in combination with the fact that we are quite a small country, without so much depth of painting, is the cause for the level of the competition I think.
However, we are trying hard to develop our painting depth at home! That was the main idea of creating the 'oz painters' forum - it's an attempt to combat the problems of the huge distances in australia, by creating a stronger online community in order to develop australian painting. And I think it's starting to work - new painters are emerging...a perfect example is Jamie Dalzell, who painted that giant - and also the dwarf lord...really fantastic work! And he is fairly new - a very young guy who is really starting to become a great painter.
Well sorry that was so long, but hopefully it was something a bit interesting to think about.
What do you guys think, any thoughts about that?
Many of the other forums have had quite a negative attitude I'm afraid...some very cruel comments about the level and quality, which doesn't help anyone I think.Of course, it's true, I agree, that our OZ GD is at a lower level than many of the other GDs around the world, but maybe I can offer some explanation, from my perspective.
I think the main problem is depth: there just aren't quite enough painters here in australia, and in addition, quite a few of the strong painters did not enter seriously, or not at all, this year, for various reasons. So that means that the 'solid' entries can end up being spread a bit too thin over the categories.
And the second part of thsi problem comes from the format of our GD, where we have 3 'rounds' of competition. As tomaz said, the first round occurs at local GW stores, and some independant stores also, all around the country on the same day. Everyone goes to their local store with their GD entries, and then it's like a mini GD - the top 3 entries for each category are selected, and put through to the next round, 2 weeks later. Round 2 is the 'regional' round (like a state round), where the same process happens again - the top 3 from each category are chosen, and then progress to the 'national final' in sydney, 3 weeks afterwards- this is like the real GD.
The whole idea of this, is to allow more access for people to enter GD from around the country. As I'm sure you know, australia is BIG....it's pretty much the same size as the whole of Europe. So it's very difficult for many people to enter GD if it's held as a traditional gamesday in Sydney; not many people are willing to fly to Sydney for the chance to enter, when they don't think they have a chance of winning anything. Of course there are a few people who would always fly in, but they tend to be the people who are already known painters - so the new format is meant to be better for attracting new painters, as well as more painters.
Of course, there are negative sides to the new format also. In the context of what we are talking about at the moment, with the quality of the competition, I would say that the big negative is the fact that this format pretty much takes away any chance of having international visitors entering GD. It's just not possible - you have to be at the first 'local' round in person, if you want to enter...but who is going to fly in for that, and then wait around for 5 weeks for the real 'final' GD? And besides, it is quite a distance to travel to Sydney, regardless!!! Plus there are all the crocodiles, snakes and sharks lying in wait when you arrive, ready to feast on unsuspecting visitors...
Anyway, the main point I want to make is this: I have travelled to a few GDs in Europe, and some other competitions, and in my opinion, the main difference between GDs around the world comes from the 'superstar entries'. I feel like most of the big GDs are defined by those 4 or 5 entries painted by super top painters - these are the most memorable entries, the ones that stick in your mind when you think of a particular GD. And often, a couple of these entries can come from international visitors, who have made the trip to compete. Generally, the visitors can often boost the level of a competition quite considerably, I think! They can add a lot of depth to the categories. But if you take away this top group of 'super entries', most GDs are of a pretty similar level I think.
This is what is lacking at OZ GD I think. We don't really have those 'superstar' world famous painters in the competition - as I said before, it's impossible for any international painters to visit, which is part of the reason. So that, in combination with the fact that we are quite a small country, without so much depth of painting, is the cause for the level of the competition I think.
However, we are trying hard to develop our painting depth at home! That was the main idea of creating the 'oz painters' forum - it's an attempt to combat the problems of the huge distances in australia, by creating a stronger online community in order to develop australian painting. And I think it's starting to work - new painters are emerging...a perfect example is Jamie Dalzell, who painted that giant - and also the dwarf lord...really fantastic work! And he is fairly new - a very young guy who is really starting to become a great painter.
Well sorry that was so long, but hopefully it was something a bit interesting to think about.
What do you guys think, any thoughts about that?
Hi Sebastian. Thanks for the extensive explanation of how it all works in your country. I guess it works for Australia, bearing in mind all that you said, it just need to be that way to attract more poeple from different, far extremities of your continent.
Perhaps there should be a different path to enter for those foreign painters who would want to participate. Some web site with voting on which the highest votes would be qualified perhaps. That depends on how many of those foreign painters would wish to come anyway.
You might say there aren't superstar painters coming to Australia to boost the level, but there obviously is one, which is yourself!
You might not admit it, but you surely are, and quite deservedly, one of the very best painters in the world!
I wish you all the best with your miniature line, and hope to meet you a some European GD next year... Perhaps you'll come?
Perhaps there should be a different path to enter for those foreign painters who would want to participate. Some web site with voting on which the highest votes would be qualified perhaps. That depends on how many of those foreign painters would wish to come anyway.
You might say there aren't superstar painters coming to Australia to boost the level, but there obviously is one, which is yourself!
You might not admit it, but you surely are, and quite deservedly, one of the very best painters in the world!I wish you all the best with your miniature line, and hope to meet you a some European GD next year... Perhaps you'll come?
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haha well, thanks for the very kind words bohun! But in any case, whatever might be thought about me as a painter, it's important to have a variety of strong painters in the contest I think.
About having different rules for international visitors - yes absolutely, I agree. I think the easiest way would jsut be to allow anyone from overseas a free pass straight into the final round though! I mean, I doubt we would suddenly be flooded with so many visitors that it would become a problem, haha...it's really jsut the chance for 1 or 2 people to come over, perhaps. And besides, one of the results of our current format means that there aren't very many entries actually present at the finals day for GD: only 3 from each category from each region, with adds up to a 18 I think (there are 6 regions). So adding a few more entries wouldn;t be such a problem, in my mind!
About coming over to Europe again next year,...well, I would LOVE to, but we'll see what happens. Unfortunately, the Aussie dollar has fallen disastrously in recent months, so now it's much more expensive to travel!! But who knows what could happen, right?
But in any case, whatever might be thought about me as a painter, it's important to have a variety of strong painters in the contest I think.About having different rules for international visitors - yes absolutely, I agree. I think the easiest way would jsut be to allow anyone from overseas a free pass straight into the final round though! I mean, I doubt we would suddenly be flooded with so many visitors that it would become a problem, haha...it's really jsut the chance for 1 or 2 people to come over, perhaps. And besides, one of the results of our current format means that there aren't very many entries actually present at the finals day for GD: only 3 from each category from each region, with adds up to a 18 I think (there are 6 regions). So adding a few more entries wouldn;t be such a problem, in my mind!
About coming over to Europe again next year,...well, I would LOVE to, but we'll see what happens. Unfortunately, the Aussie dollar has fallen disastrously in recent months, so now it's much more expensive to travel!! But who knows what could happen, right?
Actually I think that there's one thing you really have to be happy about
I can see you have several youngblood categories (U18, U14 - and they're still split into several subjects) which suggests a lot of participants are young guys and there are so many of them that they need several categories for their entries).
And it means in a few years you will have a relatively strong group of hobbyists!
I can see you have several youngblood categories (U18, U14 - and they're still split into several subjects) which suggests a lot of participants are young guys and there are so many of them that they need several categories for their entries).
And it means in a few years you will have a relatively strong group of hobbyists!
-- Mahoń
Back in the garage with my bullshit detector
Back in the garage with my bullshit detector
Actually I think the author said that there is something on those seals, but it just doesn't show on the photos somehow.mahon wrote:Gold 40k single lacks inscriptions on the purity seal - pretty important detail for the model's credibility IMHO. Technically impressive though...
Overall I agree that the level is uneven for the contest, some works great some quite average but on the other hand the described system used for gathering works is a great way to allow painters from around the country to enter. After all it's nothing like our GD, where the longest journey to Poznan might take 10 hours maybe by a train.
Do not underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers...
